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Monday, August 31, 2009

Health care is not a right... Part duh

Before I move on to what I wanted to write about in this post, I feel the need to tie up a loose end. I will soon write the post that I wanted to write, but for now...

As I mentioned in a recent post I do not understand how someone can perceive health care as a basic right. I have heard many suggest that it is just that. If you are to suggest that health care is a basic right then you must be willing to consider slave ownership a basic right as well.

Take off your "support Obama, no matter what" hat and put on your thinking hat for a moment. Unless you are a health care provider, you are unable to provide your own health care. In other words, you require the product of someone else's labor in order to access that care.

Any health care provider is required to give up irretrievable moments of his/her life in order to become educated and experienced in their field. Then that person chooses to give up personal time with their family in order to provide that service to others. In our society we are granted the right to set a price, that is value, for taking time from our lives and giving it to others. That is freedom!

To suggest that a government has the right to set the value of our time would imply that we have no freedom. We, then, would be working strictly to benefit others and have no right to determine our own worth. That is slavery!

What the left is telling us is that health care (which was little more than blood lettings before the free market) is a basic right that trumps freedom. You (the left) think that the value of the time that has been spent learning the profession and performing the tasks, can be decided by those who want the product rather than those who supply it. Much like the value of cotton was set by the slave owner with no regard to the slaves at all.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Health care is a product, not a basic right. It has become technologically advanced and relatively safe as a result of years of free market development, without which it would still be as it was for several thousand years.. BAD! So now that they have used the free market to provide a seemingly necessary product, you think you can simply stake a claim to it through a popular vote? Sorry, that's not how it works...Jackass.


Silence DoGood said...

Healthcare is not a right. I see it no where mentioned in the Constitution. But neither are National Parks or the Department of Defense. I understand that the Federal Government sets the wages of soldiers and Park Service workers. My God - disband those slave operations immediately!

The reality is that Supreme Court has upheld raising and using taxes for defense and the general welfare as long as it applies to the whole country.

Although I have great issue with stimulus plans and bank bailouts because they are special interest, I think that healthcare is in the general welfare category.

And I did not vote for Obama.

Chris said...

so.......is that your argument about nationalized healthcare? just remember what these BENEFITS ARE CALLED!!! "Healthcare Benefits". meaning, it is a BENEFIT to have it. you do not have to get it, but it will benefit you to have these benefits. the key word, as you can see, is BENEFIT. Plus, where is Uncle Sam going to get all of this money to put it into place? I also assume you aren't a Veteran, and don't know from your ass to a hole in a ground aout the VA Hospitals. You go there one time and exerience the horrible doctors, cheap meds from the 1970's, long waits even though you have an appointment, and the lack of drugs, then come talk to me. If you want all of that and more (oh, and don't forget the wrong limbs they amputate on a monthly basis) then, vote for our Communist Savior!!! Long live Comrade Obama!!!!!!!!!

Chris said...

sorry for the swearing, but the grass is not greener on the other side. Liberals are like some South Koreans. They hear how "wonderful" it is on the propaganda loud speaker as North Korea is telling them to come to their side, but when they get there, they want to go home. If you haven't experienced Nationalized Healthcare, then how do you know its better? Plus, why do you think people come here for help and we don't go elsewhere? If nationalized crap is good, then all of the countries would have millions of U.S. citizens at their doorstep. Think people!!!!!!

Silence DoGood said...

The Healthcare issue is a big discussion, and it should be. After seeing how Obama spends without apparent regard, I am very nervous about how his healthcare idea will be carried out.

Trying to stay on topic, I was simply debunking the knee-jerk conservative bumper sticker that says "it is not a right so it shouldn't happen".

As I point out by my original argument, this is nonsense. The Fed.Gov can pass such a bill under the constitution. They can pass a bill to raise taxes and hand out lollipops every Wednesday, but I would hope that would not happen.

NOW we should all get off our butts and debate it. Bumper sticker logic is not going to cut it.

flounder said...

The military is a constitutional provision, article 1, section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Your comment about setting the wages for the military completely misses the point. I am, however, looking into the parks and recreation thing to find the loophole.

The real question is wether the "general welfare" part applies here. If you get into the other writings of those who authored the Constitution, they are very, very clear about the meaning of that phrase.

The goal that they had intended was to offer a financial support for the government to operate as a business. They knew that there would be expenses involved in collecting taxes and in doing the necessary work.

My daughter needs me... I'll finish as soon as I can!

flounder said...

Sorry, I'm back....

The point is that the government is only given the right to protect our rights. This means that since it's not a right, the government has no right to establish it as one in the name of getting votes. Trial lawyers have skewed the Constitution over the years and we have let congress get away with way too much as it is.

Because it is not established as a right the 10th amendment applies (regardless of what the socialist legal society tells us).

Thomas Jefferson said, in his first inaugural speech, that we must have "a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.

Does this sound like a man that would endorse a socialized health care program?

Everyone seems to forget that health care existed during the birth of this country. Granted, through capitalism, it has improved exponentially... but it was a problem back then as well.

The founders of our nation left healthcare out on purpose, I mean really... do you think it was an oversight? Just because we have brought it so far does not give anyone the right to take it over and screw it up.

The only reason I've even entered the debate over whether it is a right or not is because I keep hearing Idiots on Tv and around me say that it is a right. Sadly, I needed to clear up that point before even getting to any other debate.

Obviously you believe it is not a right but should still be passed. What is your foundation for that belief.? Why should the entire country be forced to pay for a system that only benifits a small group?

flounder said...

Sorry my spelling sucks and I jump around a little... my 2 year old is distracting me!

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